U-Turn Orbit Vs Pro-Ject – Uturn Orbit Custom Vs Project Debut Carbon Dc

Review, Impressions, and a Few Measurements

Yet Another Turntable?

This website started when I needed another turntable. I bought a Pro-ject Carbon Debut Turntable, didn”t like it (more about that later),and returned it. My latest acquisition is u-turn AUDIO”s Orbit Basic Turntable. The one word review: WOW! Read on for the details.

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First Impressions

It took a little more than a week from when I ordered the table until it arrived. It was well packed and arrived in good shape. I alsoordered the cueing lever (not included in the basic), which arrived a few days later.

Assembling the table was quick and easy. The instructions were clear and simple to follow. It comes with an Audio Technica AT91Bcartridge pre-mounted, aligned, and balanced. The cables fit snugly onto the RCA connectors on my preamp as well as those on the turntable.The turntable is powered by a small wall-wart.

The belt that drives the table seems a bit improbable in the way it fits around the outside of the turntable platter. I dropped the beltover the 33 RPM portion of the spindle and around the turntable. Then I turned the turntable on, and allowed it to spin a few times, whichcentered the belt on the rim of the platter. The black platter seems to be made of some kind of dense fiber-board, seemingly quite uniform and accurately machined. The table comes with a black turntable mat.

The cueing lever installs easily without any tools. The dust cover looks good, but the hinges are kind of basic, so the dust cover really only has two stable positions, fully-up and fully down.

I powered it up and got my first thrill. Mechanically, it is very quiet. Stand next to the turntable and you can”t tell whether it”son or off. There”s a quiet little hum from the wall-wart (in my case it was mechanically amplified by being plugged into an outlet strip thatwas screwed to the particle-board shelf on which the turntable rests) that is present whether the turntable is on or off. If you put yourear next to the table as it turns, you can hear a very soft, periodic noise as the belt traces its way over the turntable rim, but the roommust be very quiet, and you have to be quite close to the turntable to hear it. The purring of a small cat sitting about 8 feet away was louderthan the turntable noise at 2 or 3 inches.

Now it was time to power up the associated electronics and check for hum and noise. At first, I was a bit concerned as this table doesn”thave a separate ground-wire connection. No worries, it was pretty quiet (hum). You could hear hum with your ear near the speaker, but from mynormal listening position the only hum I heard was mechanical noise from the Dynaco Stereo 150 Power amp transformer that I”m currently using.

With the preliminaries done, it was time to actually listen to music. The recordwas Dexter Gordon”sManhattan Symphonie, the cut was”Body and Soul”. The results were very encouraging. The cueing mechanism, though not damped, was direct and controllable, and allowed meto settle the arm into the lead-in groove with no fuss. The lead-in groove was quiet and seemed rumble-free (measurements to follow).

The music was great. No mechanical noise got in the way of the music. Oh, that”s nice. From the opening notes, to Dexter”s quotes of “RoundMidnight in his unaccompanied solo section, it was great to just hear the horn and the echo without the turntable noise. I listened to a fewmore cuts…clean and quiet, and thoroughly enjoyable. The lovely prize…this table (and cartridge) cost just $179 plus shipping, plus thecost of the cueing lever ($40). So for less than $250 delivered to your door, you get a turntable with seriously good sound. Wow!


It”s always illuminating to see how the measurements compare with the listening impressions. Given my recent disappointing experiencewith the Pro-ject Debut Carbon, I thought I”d start with rumble and noise measurements. Spoiler alert…right out of the box, the U-turnrumble is 6 dB less than the Pro-Ject debut carbon after tweaking!


Note that the reference level for a 1 kHz 7 cm/sec tone is -5.66 dBv. The next picture shows the hum spectrum with the arm upand the motor off ( rumble) was mainly a 60 Hz harmonic at -51.66 dBv.


The speed accuracy was dead on. I measured a 3150 Hertz tone and read the frequency off a spectrum analyzer with span from 3100 Hzto 3200 Hz. The spectrum of the 3150 Hz was about 11.76 Hz wide, and perfectly centered on 3150 Hz.

There was a bit of modulation on the 3150 Hz tone, as evidenced by the 11.76 Hz width of the reproduced 3150 Hz tone. You could heara bit of wavering on the test tone, but it was subtle.

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Comparison with Pro-ject Debut Carbon

Caveat: I have only seen and evaluated one of each turntable, but given that caveat:

The u-turn is easier to assembleThe u-turn has much lower rumble, both straight out of the box, and even after tweaking the Pro-ject. Note also, that whenspecifically asked about the rumble, Pro-ject said the turntable was not defective.The u-turn costs lessThe u-turn has much lower mechanical noise, e.g. noise heard through the airThe u-turn had higher quality cables, as evidenced by lower noise straight out of the boxThe Pro-ject had a calibrated stylus force gauge built-into the armThe Pro-ject had an anti-skating weightThe u-turn”s cueing mechanism, though not damped, avoided the floaty nature of the Pro-ject, which often led to groove skittering

Conclusion: I much prefer the u-turn, and no longer have the Pro-ject

Long Term Reflections and Annoyances

So, as of this writing, I”ve lived with the turntable for about 1 month. Am I as positive as I was when I wrote the previous paragraphs?Not really. It”s still ok, but I”ve found a few annoyances.

If you don”t play the table for a while, say 1 week, the belt takes a bit of a set. When you start to play records again,that set makes it lumpy as it rides over the rim of the turn table. It produces some hellacious speed variations for a while (wow)that does violence to pitch stability. After half an hour of playing it mostly settles down to a constant speed.It”s really sensitive to not being level. When it”s just a little off level, the belt tends to ride up and down even morethan normal, which once again plays havoc with speed constancy.If you lower the dust cover by holding it at the center, the center pushes in a bit, and it pinches the belt between thefront of the turntable and the front of the platter. That drops the speed, and plays havoc with the belt until it settles downagain. You can avoid the problem (mostly) if you lower the dust-cover by the corners, but it still comes crazily close to the belton the way down.As I look at it, there”s very little that really would tend to keep the belt centered on the turntable. Thus it wanders up anddown kind of randomly on the rim. Every once in a while it goes too far, and there”s a big speed excursion.

My plan is to contact Uturn to see if they will replace the belt, or if they have any thoughts about these issues. I”ll report backonce I know more. In the meantime, here”s a youtube video that shows a representative sample of the belt wander, but no means the worst of it all.

Here”s a video that shows the dustcover interferes with platter rotation if you hold it in the center. You must hold it by the edgesto avoid slowing the table. I”d say that really shouldn”t be like that!

This shot shows both the belt on the turntable rim and the drive pulley in the same picture. Posted at request of Uturn Audiotech support to troubleshoot belt wander.

Here”s a direct side view of the belt and pulley before the belt was re-seated (suggested by Uturn Audio Tech Support)

Here”s the same view after the belt was reseated. It”s better, but there are still a few wide excursions…look around 32 seconds.This video was taken within a few minutes of having re-seated the belt.Note: after about an hour of continuous running after the reseat, the belt wander is about as bad as it was prior to the re-seat.This doesn”t really seem like a solution.

Here”s a view from the top of the pulley and belt (after re-seating)

Some Good News

I reported the problems listed above to Uturn. Their response was pretty quick, and was done by someone who understood the productand the problem. The couple of videos shown above were part of their remote diagnosis. As a result:


They shipped a new dustcover (no charge). It was quite straight at the front, not bowed like the first one. That was enough toprovide adequate clearance to the belt that deflection from pushing on the center of the dust cover when raising it caused no problems.I”d still say that the clearance is a bit close, but there is now clearance.

They also sent a new spindle and belt (also no charge). The new belt seemed a bit more snug. The new spindle seemed to have lessfriction as it spun. The “belt wander” was rather less after the change. Take a look at the youtube above. It”s still not perfect, butI think it”s a very good improvement.


It seemed the table was quieter, too…So I measured the rumble. I may have a slight absolute calibration error, but the quitesignificant thing is how much the 240 Hz rumble component dropped. Previously, the 240 Hz component was just about 3 dB less thanthe one at 120 Hz. Now (see the picture above) the 240 Hz component is about 17 dB less. That is huge!

Yet another update

One day has passed since the previous installment (new belt, new spindle). The belt is back to wandering…oh well. Soundseems ok…I wonder if the belt wandering is one of those things that you just live with…not pretty, but doesn”t hurt???

The Last Word?

I sent the turntable back to U-turn audio, less the dust-cover, cueing lever, and power supply. They got it back to me inabout 1 week. Here are their notes:

“Hi Dan, Here are our service tech”s notes on this repair:”returned spindle, platter, belt. no cart cover but stylus appears fine (giant dust ball crusted on). belt wasn”t wandering too too much. platter is ok. spindle is tight – replaced. belt has low freq – replaced. no belt wandering and WF has improved to less than .15″I checked this out when it came in, and was surprised to see that the belt wander was much less than in your video. This makes me wonder if maybe you are twisting it a bit during installation. (My response: Before this last return belt would start out ok, then increase wanderingdramatically over a few hours of use). Also surprised to see all the debris on the stylus – did you hear this at all?(My response: yes,but I didn”t want to damage the stylus by cleaning it…What method do you recommend?).It makes sense that there would be more rumble if the belt is a bit tighter (looser belts generally mean less rumble). There may be 1-2mm of length variation between our belts. We do a qualitative fit test with each belt, then do two stages of wow & flutter and frequency deviation testing (one set of tests on a reference table, and one set with your particular table). We generally let the numbers dictate if the belt is a good fit or not. The tight spindle probably made your previous belt feel looser than it really was.The rumble is one place an acrylic platter would help out, as the acrylic is really good at killing these motor resonances. There is also less friction between belt/platter with acrylic – good for noise reduction and speed consistency.-Ben

To me it seemed that the belt they supplied was much tighter. As you can see fromthe picture below, the belt-wander is much improved. The pitch constancy is also much better. At some point, I”ll re-do pitchstability and rumble measurements to see what changed, but I think we”ve reached the end of the belt-wander/pitch problem. Youcan see what it looks like in the youtube below:

BTW, Ben recommended the ONZOW Zerodust for needle cleaning. I have one on order now.

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A Parting Thought for Now

Every manufacturer has problems now and then. The difference is how they support you and the product to work through to asuccessful conclusion. Uturn gets a solid A from me.

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